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Marybourgh Results

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1 Re: Marybourgh Results on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:37 pm

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Mitchell Hocking 46.15 in the 400? Is that right? 48.06 for 2nd. That's a massive win, about 15m!! Penalty.......8m??

2 Re: Marybourgh Results on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:56 pm

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Yeh that's right - was a very clear win. Novice was won in 46.6 off 20m too for a first race runner. Some fast times compared to whats been going around this season.

3 Re: Marybourgh Results on Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:44 pm

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thats what happens when you want to win you run the time why a 15m penalty? the winner of the backmarkers 400m last year didnt get pulled 15m and that was worth $4000

4 Re: Marybourgh Results on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:30 pm

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jknott123 wrote:thats what happens when you want to win you run the time why a 15m penalty? the winner of the backmarkers 400m last year didnt get pulled 15m and that was worth $4000


http://www.val.org.au/NOVICE%20HCPS%20OCT%202011.pdf

Novice mark for the 400 is 20m and start time is 47.6. It's my understanding that they each have to get pulled for the win as well as for being well under start time. Although, the size of the pull will probably depend on whether or not the MB circular track was short again this year.

5 Re: Marybourgh Results on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:39 pm

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well he ran off 26m if he had ran off 20m his time would have been approx.47.2 the same as last years winning time.dont mind a penalty because he won but come on 15m thats a bit hard for a 17 year old who only runs in the pros never ran in the AA or whatever its called

6 Re: Marybourgh Results on Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:27 pm

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jknott123 wrote:well he ran off 26m if he had ran off 20m his time would have been approx.47.2 the same as last years winning time.dont mind a penalty because he won but come on 15m thats a bit hard for a 17 year old who only runs in the pros never ran in the AA or whatever its called

I believe Trackstar suggested that based on the times, the margin of victory was about 15m, and that a likely penalty would be about 8m, which would correspond to about 1 second, and still keep him under start time.

7 Re: Marybourgh Results on Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:33 pm

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Firstly Mitchell's run was a fantastic one - he really burst into the straight and smashed the field when he could've sat up and won by a narrow margin. It's always great to see a young talented runner really emerge and alongside the tough win of his training partner (Burnett) in the 800, were real highlights of the day.

Talk of an 8 to 15 metre penalty is not in accordance with the guidelines. 47.6 is the start time for the 400s but once the season is underway it is the ceiling time that is important and in the 400s that is 46.5. Without pre-empting what the handicapper will do, the normal procedure is back to the ceiling plus the standard race penalty. This should allow Mitchell to remain genuinely competitive, as he deserves to be.

8 Re: Marybourgh Results on Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:42 pm

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thank you mob hard to know what a runner can run sometimes as a trainer but he wanted to win maryborough to follow in the footsteps of his dad his time sure as hell surprised me and i think we may have a very good young pro in the making

9 Re: Marybourgh Results on Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:50 pm

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MOB wrote:Firstly Mitchell's run was a fantastic one - he really burst into the straight and smashed the field when he could've sat up and won by a narrow margin. It's always great to see a young talented runner really emerge and alongside the tough win of his training partner (Burnett) in the 800, were real highlights of the day.

Talk of an 8 to 15 metre penalty is not in accordance with the guidelines. 47.6 is the start time for the 400s but once the season is underway it is the ceiling time that is important and in the 400s that is 46.5. Without pre-empting what the handicapper will do, the normal procedure is back to the ceiling plus the standard race penalty. This should allow Mitchell to remain genuinely competitive, as he deserves to be.


Thanks for the clarification, Mark.

http://www.val.org.au/VAL%20PENALTY%20TABLE%20OCT%202011.pdf

So, without pre-empting the handicappers, that would mean a 3-ish metre pull from 46.15 back to the 46.5 ceiling, and another 3m penalty for winning a $501-$1k 400 event? You'd hope that no discretionary penalty was applied. That would put Mitchell in a position to run a 46.9, without any additional penalty, which is a performance capable of making any final.

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