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Who wins the 800m?
Ribera wrote:This is a fairly unique event and a chance to showcase pro athletics to an audience that does not look favorably on pro athletics.
If a smoky pro was to blow the field away it would be the worst result. 2nd worst result would be for a first timer to the pros blowing the field away.
Best result here is a close finish with a spread of handicaps in the final.
Looking at the handicaps, the pros have been moved out and the race looks set to about 2.06.
If the first timers are handicapped to their current shape and the pros moved out 20 or so metres from their start handicaps (From a 2.10 target time to a 2.06 target time). This should make it a good close event.
If Bisset is in 2.04 shape right now and a 2 sec grass track allowance then it is about right for her.
2 years ago Katherine Katsanevakis was given scratch at Stawell. Her p.b. was 2.01.75 set in a grand prix in Texas in 2014. She was a regular under 2.03 but no longer in that shape. Catriona is 3 secs quicker under similar conditions. So to move the field out about 4 secs for Catriona seems about right.
The back 3 pros look to have moved out 20 or so metres. R Gilden 36m to 62m, O Goder 40m to 62m, E Gilden 40m to 66m.
It is an event not run many times per season so it has far greater chance for a smokey as Stawell results show below with quick times. Plus young girls can improve rapidly over a winter.
We have not had a winner at Stawell in the last 5 years under 100m in handicap.
Stawell 2019 – 2.07
Stawell 2018 – 2.03.5
Stawell 2017 – 2.01.4
Stawell 2016 – 2.02.3
Stawell 2015 – 2.06.1
I wholeheartedly agree. This is a terrific initiative by Tim, supported by the League, and critical given the large untapped pool of “amo” distance runners.Ribera wrote:I look at this race as the Herb Hedemann of Parkdale. All discretionary handicaps. It is a special event.
Tim has sought some good runners who do not run pro and no doubt the extra sponsorship $ are tied in with this.
If you want a normal $700 pro race, I'm sure this can be organised instead at another carnival.
Distance wrote:Ok now you guys are just bringing the cynic out in me.
This is nothing like the Herb Hedemann, the Hedemann does not have teenagers out on 400m. It is a quality race with quality Athletes that make the cut and it is run in packs all pushing to get to the front. In this race because of how it is handicapped they will be spread out as far as the eye can see. Don't disrespect the Hedemann.
The Hedemann is a special event but this event is not, it has rules & regulations put in place to try and add some credability to it even though those rules are quite similar to the SAAL Computer and based around the lottery system, but these have been completely ignored.
It's quite hypocritical of the VAL to say they support Tim's initiative (which don't get me wrong I think is great) when they have never actually supported the event themselves. I think what you mean is they support Tim because he is able to put on a $2,000 Race which are rare for distance running without the VAL having to lift a finger.
As Ribera says "If any first timer runs to p.b. shape they win comfortably. If any smoky pro improves to Stawell level they win comfortably." These are the likely scenario's and neither of these are good results.
If you want to make it like the Hedemann put a tougher limit on it and only have Athlete's with proven form and then don't allow a 6 second a lap track allowance just so the First Timers can compete with an unknown smokey. Or because the First Timers are not fit enough to run to there best.
Then like Stawell do with the Hedemann you can put on a legitimate Womens 800 for the Rank & File who have paid there Rego & Entries in good faith that they will be treated fairly.
In essence if you are a regular contributor to this event with honest form on the board you don't have a chance even if you run to your best.
Lets be honest this is mutton dressed up as Lamb.
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